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Post by Seneschal on Jan 4, 2007 5:58:56 GMT -5
Darios first brought up this suggestion and I shot it down at the time because I didn't think it was neccessary (silly me). After long discussion with my officers and some of the members during the post-raid Ventrilo chat, we've come close to a decision, but I need your input!
We are wanting to run two simultaneous ZGs, one being lead by me, the other being ran by another person in that raid group (either Darkire, Necromagus, or Kelidd. We're also grooming others to take the role).
If the plan goes through, I want to try and first do it like this: Dependant on experience and class, I am going to put you in either or group. Let's say that GroupB has less experience players than GroupA, but GroupA has more Paladins, I'll do a little trading. The way I make the groups is entirely random, and the person you were with one ZG you may not be with on next week's ZG. This will ensure everyone has a chance to do ZG and not have long, disgusting reserve lists. It also gives people a chance to really learn the instance and get a headstart on MC and the TBC with your experience. You're not learning anything on the reserves list, and you're not having fun there either, so I want to fix that.
Let me know what you guys think. As of now only ZG would be affected by this, but if I start having 50 reserves for MC for some strange reason, I'll be doing that too. ESA isn't about "raiding under Sen," it's about "raiding and having fun." If I can make sure you guys are in a raid with experienced people and learning and having fun, then I've done my part.
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Post by hayase on Jan 4, 2007 8:41:09 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind so long as all the group arrangement is taken care of before the night of the raid (As it is now). I'm not looking to spend an hour pre raid swapping members to give class balance.
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Post by rohonaken on Jan 4, 2007 9:28:17 GMT -5
Sounds good
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Post by pipi on Jan 4, 2007 9:47:41 GMT -5
I think thats a great Idea, both groups run at the same time?
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Post by sweetjules on Jan 4, 2007 12:43:15 GMT -5
That sounds good to me Sen
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Post by xdeathdealer on Jan 4, 2007 13:23:18 GMT -5
i think that would be gr8. i sat my main outside the ZG instance for about 2-3 hours while i played my alt hoping that i'd get my reserve number called to no avail. i think 2 runs would be a gr8 idea. my only concern would be that if someone would've been in the run as scheduled and is moved to the second run for class/experience reasons and for some reason the 2nd run does not go through. so i would say just make sure that there are enough people that it would conceivably be 2 completely filled runs as far as the number of people. but i'm sure you've thought of that already =)
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Post by shyrah on Jan 4, 2007 15:28:47 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea as well , the only problem I see, that could come up is being saved to different instances and needing to assure that the instance has reset for everyone.
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Post by Seneschal on Jan 4, 2007 15:46:48 GMT -5
Yeah, that just falls on proper scheduling for me. I'm sure that the being saved won't be an issue, and if it becomes one it can be corrected easily enough.
I'd also definitely be taking care of the group arrangements well before the raid, though of course with no-shows/reserves/etc, that there will be atleast ten minutes of sorting. Nothing too long, and ten minutes of sorting is better than 20 people not going.
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Post by calhoun on Jan 4, 2007 17:16:55 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea. It will not be easy to get it done right, but we can always try it once and evaluate the experience after.
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Post by diabloxx on Jan 4, 2007 17:56:25 GMT -5
I think the idea is great like I said last night, only thing is to make sure that both groups are put together with a bit of balance, such as making sure both have enough healers, casters ect. These are all things I said last night and I DO think that it will work as long as this is the case. Not to mention it is a great way to get more people a bit more experience for MC and Ony.
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Post by necromagus on Jan 4, 2007 19:51:39 GMT -5
More raids is good. ESA raiding 8 days a week does not make ESA a hardcore raiding alliance that will steal members from your guilds raids. It is the average number of raids per week that any one person goes on that determines that. And that number was going down with all of our new people.
As for 'will it work', its worth a shot. People may still not get to go. We all know by now that any 20 people picked at random do not necessarily make a succesful raid, but as long as we dont pretend that any 20 people on the reserve list could make a second ZG raid, we can do very well as long as we have balanced classes.
If forming the second raid means that the first one will have NO reserves or improper balance, we might want to reconsider. If not, lets do it. Someone made a great point last night that by the time the reserve list reaches 15, people will probably stop signing up, so we dont really know how many interested people we might have yet until we change the signup format to shoot for 2 full and balanced raids.
And, this wont go on forever. We will settle down and get a good feel for how many regulars we have. Signups had to close eventually, we are trying to make a good raiding alliance and not to save the entire world from the horrors of DKP. Is this selfish? I dont think so, because other groups can always imitate our organization and create the 'Target Dummy Alliance'....
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Post by xdeathdealer on Jan 4, 2007 21:58:26 GMT -5
well put ;D i especially like the last part More raids is good. ESA raiding 8 days a week does not make ESA a hardcore raiding alliance that will steal members from your guilds raids. It is the average number of raids per week that any one person goes on that determines that. And that number was going down with all of our new people. As for 'will it work', its worth a shot. People may still not get to go. We all know by now that any 20 people picked at random do not necessarily make a succesful raid, but as long as we dont pretend that any 20 people on the reserve list could make a second ZG raid, we can do very well as long as we have balanced classes. If forming the second raid means that the first one will have NO reserves or improper balance, we might want to reconsider. If not, lets do it. Someone made a great point last night that by the time the reserve list reaches 15, people will probably stop signing up, so we dont really know how many interested people we might have yet until we change the signup format to shoot for 2 full and balanced raids. And, this wont go on forever. We will settle down and get a good feel for how many regulars we have. Signups had to close eventually, we are trying to make a good raiding alliance and not to save the entire world from the horrors of DKP. Is this selfish? I dont think so, because other groups can always imitate our organization and create the 'Target Dummy Alliance'....
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Post by treya on Jan 5, 2007 11:47:25 GMT -5
As soon as I saw the reserves lists climbing I wondered if there would be a way to run 2 raids at a time. I rarely sign up for reserves. If the raid is full with a reserves list then I'm guessing that there are plenty of people to fill the spots.
Any problems that I could see with it seem to have been voiced already. I say try it.
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Post by Taconite on Jan 5, 2007 12:49:11 GMT -5
I wish I couldl be part of the first double ZG run , but being a west-coaster I am not usually able to get on until about 9:00 PM Server time. I hope that the 8th goes well as the 15th is a holiday.
Taco
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Post by hemotep on Jan 5, 2007 16:52:30 GMT -5
I like the idea, you should give it a try and if it doesn't work then it doesn't work. All that you lose is some extra time.
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